Every Christian is anointed by the Holy Spirit with a gift. It was never disclosed how long this pattern of grievous sin went on, or when it stopped. This book by Shannon Harris is scheduled to be released in August, about one year later than initially planned. The associate pastor was not breaking any laws. youd have thought lightning struck, sasquatch materialized, mothman swooped over us, and a UFO started its descent all at once. Ive known some graduates of a nearby mainline seminary. Gods grace is the ONLY way anybody can ever be saved and resorting to a false faith plus works gospel is never the answer. Allegedly, once the innocent spouses were made aware of the infidelity between Hunter Hall & Wimberleys wife, a decision was made by ALL of them to engage further illicit activity. Though nothing would surprise me either. Thanks for sharing! But not anymore.. Clear Lake area for a conference? Eddie Dudderar, Assistant. Your father is the devil, and what you are wanting to do is what your father longs to do. A person involved brought to light what happened, and when Hunter was confronted, he admitted to the sin. The reason we dont hear much exhortation about holiness and purity is because we dont have a pulpit which is holy. I was recently contacted by someone who informed me that VERY BAD things have gone on over at Citizens Church Plano (formerly The Village Church-Plano Campus) which involved the campus pastor, Hunter Hall, and the worship pastor, Isaac Wimberley. Ken Bowling, Assistant. Dont know why my original post didnt show, this was a duplicate. And even if it fades into oblivion within a few years, how much damage will it do in the meantime? Whew!I continued reading and now grieved in the inner man.Immoral behavior by church leaders is becoming far too common.This one is about as sick as it gets.The following sentence from Annas post paints the wicked picture well: I have to say Im not surprised this happened in a New Calvinist church as Ive said before, the movement is drifting toward antinomianism.The overemphasis on grace-this and grace-that appears to be releasing these leaders from the obligation to observe moral law.And Im not surprised that this came from the Acts 29 corner of New Calvinism, an organization which was founded by potty-mouth Mark Driscoll and now headed by Matt Chandler. On Tuesday (7/30/19) we learned of a PATTERN of serious and grievous sexual sin that has required both the elders of Citizens Church and The Village Church to make a sober and serious decision. Dr. Louis R. Jones succeeded Dr. Smith as the eighteenth Pastor of West Hunter Street Baptist Church. Of course, they also went to public hangings and bear-baitings for fun. Hey! I read NEEs post on Monday. Immoral behavior by church leaders is becoming far too common. Call us at 281-283-2615 or send us TV Lovejoy became my archetype of how to do a Rogue character right. I assume that they have studied Pauls writings and the epistles to the Corinthians in seminary. of Church Safety/Accountability . Kevin Hall, Assistant Director. Headless Unicorn Guy: Antinomanism? Rev. an email at housing@uhcl.edu for more information. It isnt just New Calvinism into antinomianism, Calvinism in general leads to that. If they would avoid this bizarre obsession with calling preachers Gods special anointed and lifting them up so high, these men might actually retain enough humility to embrace the concept of working out your faith in fear and trembling. Humility before God and humility among your fellow humans would go a long way to change these horrible offenses. Even Racism is an Inner Ring of an ethnicially-defined In-Group; classic Gnosticism/Occultism/Conspiracy Crackpottery are all Inner Rings/In-Groups of Tnose Who KNOW Whats REALLY Going On. Actions are facts. You disgust me. over 40 minors to choose from, UHCL has something for every interest. He very sternly called them out for tolerating the sin a sin so awful that even secular society would recoil, and went on to instruct the church to cast out the wicked person from among them. If you are a first-year or transfer student, you may be eligible to receive a renewable $1,000 per semester scholarship for on-campus living at Hunter Hall. past experiences with them all was reinforced at that moment, and I looked at them all and realized they all had been conditioned to do nothing until the pastor initiated something. Mental health assessments DO happen in the ordination process. elastigirl: the belief system of The Village Church is complementarianism, in which God commands the husband to lead and the wife to follow. They have matured in their faith at The Village Church. True. Under the leadership of Lead Teaching Pastor Matt Chandler, and campus pastor Hunter Hall, The Village has grown and thrived in a time when seeker-centric and prosperity gospel churches have become the norm. Looking for a career change? I have to say Im not surprised this happened in a New Calvinist church as Ive said before, the movement is drifting toward antinomianism. women spoke their minds as freely as the men. Very good point. which goes back to the question if its the environment and ideology messing with people who otherwise wouldnt be that way or is it something already in the person To your values, your most beloved. 2,738 listeners Timothy Keller. And total blind spots on insiders is one of those results. Gridlock'd. Waist Deep. and in that same moment i decided id change things up. We exist only to Pray, Pay Pay Pay, and most important OBEY! rejection and threats of ostracization, let alone the fires of hell. elastigirl: gahhhhd, what a festering mess. Why then, would we regard money with so much more reverence and importance than the souls of women and men? Who is Hunter Hall? © 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2020, 2021, 2022 - The Wartburg Watch. Part of the problem is that Evangelicalism loves to define everyone and put people into groups. Why dont you say a the wives were swapping their husbands! Complicit, $upporting their Dear Leaders who are all about goons (power), grab (vice), & greed (money). It didnt take long before the leadership at Citizens Church was made aware that there was more to the issue than they were originally told. but as katherine hepburn said to humphrey bogart on the African Queen, Nature, Mr. Allnut, is what we are put on in this world to rise above.. I grew up in a majority Catholic neighborhood where the thugs who mugged old ladies went to Saturday night confession so they could make mass and take communion on Sunday. Like I stated in the post, there is no way for the next church they seek employment at to know about what happened with these pastors because the SBC doesRead more . Do Pastor and Worship Leader wear polyester leisure suits open to their navels showing off their coke spoons dangling against dyed chest hair? Bunsen Honeydew: Yes, these men as individuals did these things . Im sure for some it starts early in teenage years/youth group. Shes a real Swinger! They operate according to the autonomous church system which does not require them to inform other churches of the bad actions of other pastors. A pastor can easily move from church to church after doing all sorts of bad things, and the next church he lands at is none the wiser. Its black and white thinking when people and institutions are quite a mixed bag . In 2013, The Village Church released a rap album featuring Wimberley with a duet of Wimberley & popular Christian rapper Tedashii. Namely: improved focus and contextualization, multiplication, and a chance to embrace succession and allow it to succeed instead of resisting it. . I personally like the idea of not recruiting from among the young for theological and pastoral training; it might be better for elders to be older people of known and tested character. SoSickOfAbuseEnabling: The way to deal with this kind of behavior, though, is not to stop preaching grace. And happy Thanksgiving! Swingin while preachin Jesus is a new low point in the American church. Muslin, fka Dee Holmes: Sorru tp be sour apples here, but would a psychological assessment have caught any of these four? What could go wrong? Which would be no great loss. Charlie Hall. Beau Hughes, pastor of the Denton campus, says the transition has caused increased unity in his congregation. Its toxic (fundagelical culture) and it puts a monkey wrench into human flourishing. Our pastor followed this advice. One day I searched for the church hed formerly pastored in Canada, which hed said from the pulpit became a mega church while he was there. Most Cults are started so the Cult Leader can (1) Get Rich, (2) Get Laid, or (3) Both. They didnt need an article to expose them, they had been exposed, and didntRead more . The magic words here would have been, Bill, can you give me a hand with Stevie? However, Bill probably would have spotted the problem early on. Church Discipline A psychological assessment is like a burglar alarm. . Most of these guys are. . Why stop at Done? After speaking with my source, who is a member at Citizens, she informed me that the Halls & the Wimberleys were very close friends outside of church, were involved in the band together, and that there did not seem to be an imbalance of power in their relationships. Remember this a Reformedish type of church. 4,660 listeners Page CXVI. Fall 2023 - Spring 2024 meal plans will be available in July 2023. You know the old myth that celebrities die in threes, or something to that effect? Regarding james beamers comment about calling out the wivesyes their sin is disgusting but its the MEN onstage every sunday claiming to speak for God! email, with two to three preferred tour dates and times, to housing@uhcl.edu. It kind of reminds me of mortal vs venial sin. elastigirl, you were obviously the smartest one of the bunch in that gathering you will never be a lemming. ++++++++++++. At my former church I came to see that our pastor was a liar. So common back then even the locker-room comedy Slap Shot included a Swinging scene! We Serve the Church with Strategic Real Estate Solutions CURRENT PROPERTIES 3111 W Ledbetter Drive Dallas, TX 75233 Agent : Roosevelt Broach Phone : 469-688-2803 View Details 5311 W Pleasant Ridge Road Arlington, TX 76016 Agent : Gene J. Livens, CCIM Phone : 817-516-0071 View Details 2383 Dunloe Drive Dallas, TX 75228 Agent : Roosevelt Broach Ryan Hunter. So I dont believe he was dumping sites to pass trash. They are morally bankrupt, terrible people who never should have been leaders to start with and yet always manage to get in control of other people. i mean, church culture messes with peoples personalities. "If Its Not Sex Abuse, Its Money, and Nothing Says Spend and Keep Quiet About It Like the SBCs North American Mission Board" New TWW post. We are committed to caring for you. That day was supposed to be an exciting day for the newly minted Citizens Church in Plano. Those are our people. the expectation was that wed do something together afterwards. Yes, these men as individuals did these things . Sorry. Ive known Hunter Hall since he was 16 years old. The practice of Swinging/Wife Swapping is straight out of those pre-AIDS, pre-Herpes, pre-Chlamydia days of the Swinging Seventies. Friend: More important, some denoms dont offer anything like riches or fame. Well, this is the sickest use of complementarianism I have seen yet! The fact that you got your story from someone who wasnt a member and doesnt even know them personally shows that this is slander and gossip, You should have spoken and heard both sides before reporting anything. We will do everything we can to walk with ever person impacted by this, not just now, but in the months to come.. Discernment cuts through cosplay. and inclusive environment where you are able to succeed academically, explore campus I swear dee, every time I think Ive read it all about the fundagelical quagmire, you come up with breaking news that makes the swamp even more noxious. Someday, if they are faithful and true, they will rub shoulders with Pope Piper and King Mohler they will have arrived at The Inner Ring. I hope someday someone does a study on it. 2014 - May 2018. Do it! https://www.podbean.com/eu/pb-puvst-ba4f1e, I have really difficult news that I need to share with you, and its heavy, and its heartbreaking, Im going to read a statement: As Christians, we are called to make war with our sin and through grace to lead lives marked by holiness. Most mission organizations that Im aware of dont let you leave the country without at least one assessment, often more than that. This disqualifying sin happened in 2016, but came to light this week. to just go along. the significant part is the wife becomes conditioned to be passive. Yes, the story involves allegations of swinging pastors and attempts to groom members of the congregation to join in the fun. That day was supposed to be an exciting day for the newly minted Citizens Church in Plano. He was also a member of the band Folk Angel, with worship pastor Isaac Wimberley, who is quite famous in his own right. Whew! Pastors and other ministry leaders have a HUGE responsibility to maintain the highest standard of moral conduct. I was talking with a clergy member about stress maybe a year ago. Pastor Willie Hunter Jr. and Lady Shauna Cobb-Hunter, have been married over 20 years and are blessed with three children, Noah, Caleb and Leah. Their perceptions had little to almost nothing to do with what my thoughts or intentions were about a subject and didnt match me as a person at all. If we used that criterion alone for Christian leaders, we would have to empty numerous American pulpits. This also happens in mainline congregations, where yes indeed, people in the handshake line are perfectly happy to say the sermon stank. He is featured throughout The Village Churchs music on several platforms (iTunes, Amazon music, etc.). For any questions regarding on-campus housing, email housing@uhcl.edu or call 281-283-2615. At one point, cars did not have headlights. Yes you read that right..a PASTOR (Hunter Hall & his wife), a WORSHIP PASTOR (Isaac & his wife) were swapping spouses & engaging in illicit sexual encounters and word was getting out. Are you not to judge those inside? The number ONE thing that must happen is people need to know what really went on with the Halls & the Wimberleys so that they dont try to pop up in ministry somewhere else. They take the risk of presenting a range of viewpoints instead of drilling farther and farther down into the One True Way. Its not just New Calvinism. And I believe that his decision to spin off the campuses was before some of this started happening. Wasnt Falstaff intended as a comedy-relief character? Well, this is the sickest use of complementarianism I have seen yet! The responsibility for any pain or fall out rests firmly on the shoulders of Hunter Hall & Isaac Wimberley. Before moving on I need to say again what I just shared, as it is difficult to process on Tuesday of this past week, the elders of Citizens Church were informed that Hunter Hall committed infidelity with an adult member of our church, resulting in him being disqualified as an elder and being removed as both an elder and staff member. Henry Hunter Hall, who was born on April 5, 1997, and is now 25 years old, has emerged as a promising newcomer. Dee, I would be hard-pressed to come up with the Top Ten Bad-Boy Preachers of 2020 there are so many worthy candidates for that infamous list!Hall and Wimberley would certainly be in the running. elastigirl: and then in-groups and out-groups are created. Perhaps he is too busy raising cattle and selling expensive, but guaranteed, clean steaks. This is a problem, and baked into their DNA. The mainline denoms have been screening seminarians for decades, and also intervening when things go wrong. Where people are taught the signs of people they shouldnt trust? Then you have Taryn andAdam and Andres. Though there are serious and difficult consequences involved, we are charged with ministering to the brokenhearted and giving the grace Jesus has given each of us. I think a lot back to the college ministry I was in and where a lot of this stuff starts it was common for the boys and men to use women as scapegoats for *their * problematic behavior. Excellent comment. Please keep me in your thoughts and prayers. It seems like seminaries and churches could do something similar. Hunter Hall Housing Scholarship. This disqualifying sin happened in 2016, but came to light this week. If Hunter Hall or Isaac Wimberley try to weasel back into ministry again, lets hope some folks will do a Google search and find this blog post. Sexually compromised leaders at a church formerly The Village Church - Plano Campus "I was recently contacted by someone who informed me that VERY BAD things have gone on over at Citizens Church Plano (formerly The Village Church-Plano Campus) which involved the campus pastor, Hunter Hall, and the worship pastor, Isaac Wimberley. Agreement Signature Date. These people are holy. Former Student at Auburn University. He has never dealt with the truth, since the truth will have nothing to do with him. Max: Thanks, HUG a fascinating article. Thank-you for leaving this record. It came to light Tuesday that in 2016, Hunter Hall committed infidelity with another adult member of our church, which disqualifies him as an elder and staff member and he has therefore been removed from both of those positions. Others in the church provided assistance in the form of monetary gifts, meals, gift cards. Gods grace is the ONLY way anybody can ever be saved and resorting to a false faith plus works gospel is never the answer. I finally walked up and said, Hey, maybe the dads could break up the party in the back?. Diane A. What these two pastors engaged in was pure wickedness. Including speaking for women when they arent around to speak for themselves. Yeah. Explore our524-acre campus located on a wildlife and nature preserve in the heart Ive never looked at church folk the same. In the aftermath of these revelations, it was discovered that the other adult member that Hunter Hall had committed infidelity with was the wife of worship pastor Isaac Wimberley. Dee, I would be hard-pressed to come up with the Top Ten Bad-Boy Preachers of 2020 there are so many worthy candidates for that infamous list! Open Discussion Page. peer pressure. Protect Yourself on the Road With Care Insurance From Perry Hunter Hall. stories, and more. You might be wondering if this is case of clergy sexual abuse, and on the surface it might appear to be. He was also a member of the band Folk Angel, with worship pastor Isaac Wimberley, who is quite famous in his own right. I read the No Eden Elsewhere posting last night on the web site, and just wanted to be ill. Anna, my good friend at No Eden Elsewhere, got booted off of Twitter when she tweeted that creepy pastor, Carl Lentz, should be tarred and feathered. New Calvinism has a particularly bad case of it. If they $upport the pulpiteers? So tell me, does this story surprise you? In the old SBC model of doing church, young men going into the ministry were assigned associate positions for a season under a proven senior pastor. Everything we do at Hunter Hall primary school has one purpose - to enable children to discover and embrace the joy of . Im not sure such assessments are required prior to a church hiring a candidate for a pastors position. antinomian one who holds that under the gospel dispensation of grace the moral law is of no use or obligation; one who rejects a socially established morality. in fact, declares its biblical thus godly, holy, and what God commands. Agreed. After recently hearing about the death of Pastor Kim Hall, who served at Hunters Glen Baptist Church in Plano for 20 years, Pastor Hess Hester of Southern Hills Baptist Church in Tulsa said he felt led to address the problem some pastors may have in sharing personal issues. Hunter Hall. (christianity as wholly distinct from jesus of nazareth/Jehovah-/Holy Spirit). In my opinion this appears to be a case of marital infidelity involving two consenting adults. ive invested my whole life in this religion, which turns out to be the silliest of all. Evil b**tards. Executive Pastor. These mere mortals have a very strong say in allowing the person to move forward or not. Hunter is ideally located on campus with a great backyard as well as an open quad area that is home to the Lower Quad Four square court. McDonald was shot 16 . Where I live, mothers do still handle the greater burden of child care, but fathers are expected to pitch in as well. https://www.podbean.com/eu/pb-puvst-ba4f1e, I have really difficult news that I need to share with you, and its heavy, and its heartbreaking, Im going to read a statement: As Christians, we are called to make war with our sin and through grace to lead lives marked by holiness. He, along with Hunter Hall, were members of the band Folk Angel, and Wimberley has gained notoriety for his spoken word presentations, most notably on the album Tell Us of the Night (Christmas album.) Trust me, that ego got deflated. What happens now? Nobody who goes to bed at eight every night can be a Swinger.. My source said that a friend of hers who is not even a member of Citizens Church, (or a christian) had heard about it and provided more details. Membership Covenants Yes, these men as individuals did these things. That is a noble cause this is, if everything were as it seemed. Antinomanism? Wealth addresses orphans & widows, not private planes. Sorru tp be sour apples here, but would a psychological assessment have caught any of these four? i think we all are susceptible to things that go in the personality disorder direction. Do you feel like you are specially called to lead and influence in society? You only have to decide which branch to follow (Hyles, Sword of the Lord, etc.). It all goes back to 2016, when Hunter committed adultery with a woman in the churchbut the story only began there. Welcome to the Christian Industrial Complex in America, where anything goes. Mercy meets practical needs, as does helps or service (not the pastors To Do Checklist). WHO IS HUNTER HALL? I saw the same thing with husbands and wives all the time, as well. I was constantly confused in all the evangelical circles I was a part of in college and my 20s, even as a single woman. You said it elastigirl, you said it. I know some of the rote testing has questions similar to the following: But the World has moved on so to speak, and gray heads with many years of experience are no longer valued. What it turned into was mens ministry literally becoming invite-only (hello, Inner Ring), an extremely high turnover of other pastors/elders (hello, Celebrity Pastor disorder), and the church folding between the twin hits of founding/celebrity pastor departing and pandemic. The issue was a big ego. When it is about ideology, its no longer about how you live. ME WANT FILL-IN-THE-BLANK! I think they had only one murder mystery during my favorite seasons 2-5 (with Eric has his apprentice/other sidekick); instead, most of the mysteries were the type a somewhat-shady antique dealer would encounter: fakes, frauds, cons, counter-cons, and general strangeness, all delivered with a wry sense of humor. in the cleaning, the disinfecting, and overall maintenance of the Hunter Hall facility.Prospective residents and their families may request a private tour by sending an It was during this process that she revealed there was more to the story. my old Dungeonmaster, in a post-game recreational thinking session. Pastor / Leadership Development. The Apostle Paul personally wrote a letter to the Corinthian church when he heard what was going on with the sexual sin that had infected it. With. 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